at Sherdley Park, St Helens on Saturday 13th December 2008
Senior Men -- FINAL RESULTS ($=non-counter)
Pos Num Name Cat/Pos Club Time
1 223 Steffan North Sale Harriers Manchester 37:14
2 619 $Ian Grime Newham & Essex Beagles 37:36
3 181 James Bailey Sale Harriers Manchester 37:41
4 510 Jonny Holt Trafford Athletic Club 37:48
5 363 Ian Salisbury Trafford Athletic Club 38:11
6 852 Stephen Broadhurst Jun 1 Warrington Athletic Club 38:13
7 380 Malcolm Fowler V45 1 Wilmslow Running Club 38:25
8 209 David Howlett Sale Harriers Manchester 38:42
9 191 Niall Brooks Jun 2 Sale Harriers Manchester 38:43
10 829 Chris Perry Jun 3 Vale Royal Ac 39:09
11 514 Tim Bedford Warrington Athletic Club 39:10
12 5 Tom Bush Altrincham & District Ac 39:11
13 356 Chris Leigh Trafford Athletic Club 39:29
14 519 Liam Thompson Warrington Athletic Club 39:30
15 216 Ian Lowthian Sale Harriers Manchester 39:32
16 96 Ross Wilson Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 39:36
17 392 Jim Pendrill Wilmslow Running Club 39:44
18 377 Rob Downs V40 1 Wilmslow Running Club 39:45
19 286 Marc Laithwaite St Helens Sutton Ac 39:49
20 244 Joe Bailey Salford Harriers 39:53
21 185 Andrew Blair Sale Harriers Manchester 40:02
22 387 Tom McGaff V50 1 Wilmslow Running Club 40:12
23 350 Graham Hogg Jun 4 Trafford Athletic Club 40:21
24 515 Zach Cross Jun 5 Vale Royal Ac 40:31
25 201 Colin Gell Sale Harriers Manchester 40:37
26 435 Gary Matthews V45 2 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 40:43
27 315 Jonathon Walsh Stockport Harriers & Ac 40:44
28 97 Liam Bartlett Jun 6 Manchester Harriers & Ac 40:54
29 339 James Bleakley Trafford Athletic Club 41:04
30 254 Dave Lockett V40 2 Salford Harriers 41:10
31 86 Declan Murray Jun 7 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 41:11
32 304 Dean Makin Jun 8 Stockport Harriers & Ac 41:12
33 521 Tony Smith St Helens Sutton Ac 41:20
34 53 Gavin Browne E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 41:26
35 4 Nick Burke V40 3 Altrincham & District Ac 41:27
36 518 Paul Hicken Warrington Athletic Club 41:33
37 164 Michael Flatley Middleton Harriers Ac 41:35
38 436 Kevin Garner V40 4 Stockport Harriers & Ac 41:46
39 343 Richard Byers V40 5 Trafford Athletic Club 41:48
40 177 Peter Wood V50 2 Middleton Harriers Ac 41:52
41 288 Rob Marsh St Helens Sutton Ac 42:04
42 352 John Howe Trafford Athletic Club 42:05
43 305 Richard Marlton V40 6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:07
44 297 Len Best V55 1 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:09
45 522 Neil Ashcroft V40 7 Warrington Athletic Club 42:23
46 182 Paul Barrett Sale Harriers Manchester 42:26
47 309 Mike Shaw V40 8 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:28
48 283 Barry Graney V40 9 St Helens Sutton Ac 42:30
49 74 Matt Bigley Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 42:34
50 56 Anthony Connally E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 42:44
51 282 Jim Crehan V50 3 St Helens Sutton Ac 42:46
52 450 Graham Marsland V40 10 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:50
53 458 Adrian Nutter Stockport Harriers & Ac 43:00
54 438 Marcus Gregory E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:03
55 127 Rob Harper Mantriathlon 43:04
56 123 Jonathan Dabbs Mantriathlon 43:08
57 501 Paul Mannion V40 11 Trafford Athletic Club 43:11
58 376 Steve Dempsey V45 3 Wilmslow Running Club 43:13
59 496 James O'Connor Middleton Harriers Ac 43:14
60 431 Louis Humphries Jun 9 West Cheshire Athletic Club 43:15
61 116 Andy Skitt Manchester Harriers & Ac 43:21
62 69 Steven Robinson V45 4 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:23
63 407 Simon Grundy V40 12 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:26
64 144 Robert Wilson V40 13 Mantriathlon 43:39
65 84 John Mooney V45 5 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 43:40
66 60 Francis Day V55 2 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:43
67 87 Raph Murray V50 4 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 43:47
68 340 Vinny Booth V45 6 Trafford Athletic Club 43:52
69 354 Mike Hutchinson V40 14 Trafford Athletic Club 44:03
70 146 Steven Worthington Mantriathlon 44:08
71 285 Peter Johnson V40 15 St Helens Sutton Ac 44:10
72 441 David Livingstone Altrincham & District Ac 44:12
73 257 Jonathan Sacks Salford Harriers 44:16
74 346 Duncan Drasdo V40 16 Trafford Athletic Club 44:18
75 850 Oliver Park Jun 10 Warrington Athletic Club 44:25
76 440 Andrew Mooney Sale Harriers Manchester 44:26
77 375 Mike Cooper V45 7 Wilmslow Running Club 44:28
78 423 Michael Kilmartin Sale Harriers Manchester 44:32
79 211 Rob Jowett Jun 11 Sale Harriers Manchester 44:38
80 194 Elton Davies Sale Harriers Manchester 44:49
81 73 Chris Bentley Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 44:55
82 294 Ian White V45 8 St Helens Sutton Ac 45:00
83 193 Frank Cordingley V45 9 Sale Harriers Manchester 45:06
84 486 Tom Partington Jun 12 Sale Harriers Manchester 45:12
85 161 Gary Willcock V45 10 Manchester Ymca Harriers 45:13
86 199 Bill Fox V50 5 Sale Harriers Manchester 45:17
87 469 Tim Hargreaves V50 6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 45:18
88 33 James Corrigan Belle Vue Racers 45:19
89 131 Ian Jones Mantriathlon 45:21
90 106 Michael Hibbert V40 17 Manchester Harriers & Ac 45:23
91 394 Ian Smallwood V45 11 Wilmslow Running Club 45:31
92 65 Derek Hughes V45 12 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 45:36
93 520 Warren Mason V40 18 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 45:37
94 27 Dominic Scott Jun 13 Altrincham & District Ac 45:42
95 247 Dale Daniels Jun 14 Salford Harriers 45:46
96 6 Dave Carrington V50 7 Altrincham & District Ac 46:13
97 445 Pat Byrne V45 13 Middleton Harriers Ac 46:36
98 516 Frank Riley V60 1 Stockport Harriers & Ac 46:55
99 55 Andrew Cole V40 19 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 46:57
100 460 Tim Edwards V40 20 Stockport Harriers & Ac 47:38
101 405 Michael Symons V40 21 Manchester Ymca Harriers 47:48
102 620 $Brian Schofield V55 3 Oldham & Royton H & Ac 48:03
103 237 Lee Whitley Jun 15 Sale Harriers Manchester 48:08
104 145 Gary Wolstencroft Mantriathlon 48:21
105 43 Nigel Sedman V40 22 Belle Vue Racers 48:33
106 189 Chris Bratt V40 23 Sale Harriers Manchester 48:38
107 466 Richard Waring V40 24 Swinton Running Club 48:49
108 495 Richard Hyder Mantriathlon 48:51
109 446 Steve Matkin V45 14 Stockport Harriers & Ac 48:59
110 226 Timothy Rainey V40 25 Sale Harriers Manchester 49:03
111 80 Chris Holden Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 49:07
112 289 Billy Mousdale V45 15 St Helens Sutton Ac 49:16
113 332 Paul Rutherford V40 26 Swinton Running Club 49:21
114 455 Paul Collinge V50 8 Middleton Harriers Ac 49:29
115 62 Tony Faulkner E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 49:30
116 45 Steve Webb Belle Vue Racers 49:44
117 32 Ged Carney V45 16 Belle Vue Racers 49:47
118 382 Geoff Gilbert V55 4 Wilmslow Running Club 49:57
119 433 Alan Littler Jun 16 West Cheshire Athletic Club 50:08
120 50 Daniel Bamber E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 50:29
121 470 Chris Jones V40 27 Salford Metropolitan Ac 50:55
122 267 Jack Carney V50 9 Salford Metropolitan Ac 50:57
123 338 Robin Beaumont V40 28 Trafford Athletic Club 51:02
124 276 Stuart Mairs Salford Metropolitan Ac 51:08
125 403 Nigel Oldham Manchester Ymca Harriers 51:33
126 159 Steve Symons V40 29 Manchester Ymca Harriers 51:37
127 179 Miran Aprahamian V55 5 Sale Harriers Manchester 51:41
128 312 Robert Taylor V55 6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 52:06
129 517 Steve Minshull V40 30 Trafford Athletic Club 52:24
130 94 Alan Webster V45 17 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 52:34
131 291 John Skinley V45 18 St Helens Sutton Ac 52:38
132 465 Anthony Ward V45 19 Stockport Harriers & Ac 52:47
133 248 Tommy Daniels V60 2 Salford Harriers 52:58
134 110 Steve McCall V45 20 Manchester Harriers & Ac 53:09
135 118 Dave Wood V45 21 Manchester Harriers & Ac 53:29
136 272 Paddy Farrelly V50 10 Salford Metropolitan Ac 53:34
137 85 Neil Murphy V45 22 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 53:36
138 152 Steve Ingham V50 11 Manchester Ymca Harriers 53:44
139 459 Ian Welsh V45 23 Mantriathlon 53:45
140 82 Steve Lomas V40 31 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 53:48
141 153 Bryn Machin Manchester Ymca Harriers 54:10
142 68 Martin McGann V60 3 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 54:22
143 149 Tom Dutton V65 1 Manchester Ymca Harriers 54:52
144 826 Andy Drillingcourt St Helens Sutton Ac 55:23
145 51 Howard Bamber V50 12 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 55:29
146 271 Brian Eyre V50 13 Salford Metropolitan Ac 55:33
147 329 John Pickup V45 24 Swinton Running Club 55:38
148 128 Robert Harvey Mantriathlon 56:00
149 72 Colin Timpson V60 4 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 56:26
150 89 David Shoesmith V55 7 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 56:35
151 156 Jon Paramor V55 8 Manchester Ymca Harriers 56:45
152 228 Alan Romagnolo V40 32 Sale Harriers Manchester 57:11
153 273 Mark Hulme V50 14 Salford Metropolitan Ac 58:38
154 379 Trevor Faulkner V65 2 Wilmslow Running Club 59:08
155 34 Kevin Egerton V55 9 Belle Vue Racers 59:09
156 487 Carl Barber Sale Harriers Manchester 1:00:44
Senior Men -- TEAM RESULTS
NOTE: Unattached and non-counters are DELETED before teams are calculated
1 Sale Harriers Manchester 52
1 Steffan North
2 James Bailey
7 David Howlett
8 Niall Brooks
14 Ian Lowthian
20 Andrew Blair
2 Trafford Athletic Club 107
3 Jonny Holt
4 Ian Salisbury
12 Chris Leigh
22 Graham Hogg
28 James Bleakley
38 Richard Byers
3 Warrington Athletic Club 181
5 Stephen Broadhurst
10 Tim Bedford
13 Liam Thompson
35 Paul Hicken
44 Neil Ashcroft
74 Oliver Park
4 Wilmslow Running Club 193
6 Malcolm Fowler
16 Jim Pendrill
17 Rob Downs
21 Tom McGaff
57 Steve Dempsey
76 Mike Cooper
5 Stockport Harriers & Ac 225
26 Jonathon Walsh
31 Dean Makin
37 Kevin Garner
42 Richard Marlton
43 Len Best
46 Mike Shaw
6 St Helens Sutton Ac 257
18 Marc Laithwaite
32 Tony Smith
40 Rob Marsh
47 Barry Graney
50 Jim Crehan
70 Peter Johnson
7 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 283
25 Gary Matthews
33 Gavin Browne
49 Anthony Connally
53 Marcus Gregory
61 Steven Robinson
62 Simon Grundy
8 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 303
15 Ross Wilson
30 Declan Murray
48 Matt Bigley
64 John Mooney
66 Raph Murray
80 Chris Bentley
9 Sale Harriers Manchester 'B' 378
24 Colin Gell
45 Paul Barrett
75 Andrew Mooney
77 Michael Kilmartin
78 Rob Jowett
79 Elton Davies
10 Trafford Athletic Club 'B' 426
41 John Howe
56 Paul Mannion
67 Vinny Booth
68 Mike Hutchinson
73 Duncan Drasdo
121 Robin Beaumont
11 Mantriathlon 431
54 Rob Harper
55 Jonathan Dabbs
63 Robert Wilson
69 Steven Worthington
88 Ian Jones
102 Gary Wolstencroft
12 Stockport Harriers & Ac 'B' 492
51 Graham Marsland
52 Adrian Nutter
86 Tim Hargreaves
97 Frank Riley
99 Tim Edwards
107 Steve Matkin
13 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 'B' 625
65 Francis Day
91 Derek Hughes
98 Andrew Cole
113 Tony Faulkner
118 Daniel Bamber
140 Martin McGann
14 Manchester Ymca Harriers 706
84 Gary Willcock
100 Michael Symons
123 Nigel Oldham
124 Steve Symons
136 Steve Ingham
139 Bryn Machin
15 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 'B' 750
92 Warren Mason
109 Chris Holden
128 Alan Webster
135 Neil Murphy
138 Steve Lomas
148 David Shoesmith
16 Salford Metropolitan Ac 790
119 Chris Jones
120 Jack Carney
122 Stuart Mairs
134 Paddy Farrelly
144 Brian Eyre
151 Mark Hulme
Senior Men (Vets) -- FINAL RESULTS ($=non-counter)
Pos Num Name Cat/Pos Club Time
1 380 Malcolm Fowler V45 1 Wilmslow Running Club 38:25
2 377 Rob Downs V40 1 Wilmslow Running Club 39:45
3 387 Tom McGaff V50 1 Wilmslow Running Club 40:12
4 435 Gary Matthews V45 2 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 40:43
5 254 Dave Lockett V40 2 Salford Harriers 41:10
6 4 Nick Burke V40 3 Altrincham & District Ac 41:27
7 436 Kevin Garner V40 4 Stockport Harriers & Ac 41:46
8 343 Richard Byers V40 5 Trafford Athletic Club 41:48
9 177 Peter Wood V50 2 Middleton Harriers Ac 41:52
10 305 Richard Marlton V40 6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:07
11 297 Len Best V55 1 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:09
12 522 Neil Ashcroft V40 7 Warrington Athletic Club 42:23
13 309 Mike Shaw V40 8 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:28
14 283 Barry Graney V40 9 St Helens Sutton Ac 42:30
15 282 Jim Crehan V50 3 St Helens Sutton Ac 42:46
16 450 Graham Marsland V40 10 Stockport Harriers & Ac 42:50
17 501 Paul Mannion V40 11 Trafford Athletic Club 43:11
18 376 Steve Dempsey V45 3 Wilmslow Running Club 43:13
19 69 Steven Robinson V45 4 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:23
20 407 Simon Grundy V40 12 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:26
21 144 Robert Wilson V40 13 Mantriathlon 43:39
22 84 John Mooney V45 5 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 43:40
23 60 Francis Day V55 2 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 43:43
24 87 Raph Murray V50 4 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 43:47
25 340 Vinny Booth V45 6 Trafford Athletic Club 43:52
26 354 Mike Hutchinson V40 14 Trafford Athletic Club 44:03
27 285 Peter Johnson V40 15 St Helens Sutton Ac 44:10
28 346 Duncan Drasdo V40 16 Trafford Athletic Club 44:18
29 375 Mike Cooper V45 7 Wilmslow Running Club 44:28
30 294 Ian White V45 8 St Helens Sutton Ac 45:00
31 193 Frank Cordingley V45 9 Sale Harriers Manchester 45:06
32 161 Gary Willcock V45 10 Manchester Ymca Harriers 45:13
33 199 Bill Fox V50 5 Sale Harriers Manchester 45:17
34 469 Tim Hargreaves V50 6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 45:18
35 106 Michael Hibbert V40 17 Manchester Harriers & Ac 45:23
36 394 Ian Smallwood V45 11 Wilmslow Running Club 45:31
37 65 Derek Hughes V45 12 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 45:36
38 520 Warren Mason V40 18 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 45:37
39 6 Dave Carrington V50 7 Altrincham & District Ac 46:13
40 445 Pat Byrne V45 13 Middleton Harriers Ac 46:36
41 516 Frank Riley V60 1 Stockport Harriers & Ac 46:55
42 55 Andrew Cole V40 19 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 46:57
43 460 Tim Edwards V40 20 Stockport Harriers & Ac 47:38
44 405 Michael Symons V40 21 Manchester Ymca Harriers 47:48
45 620 $Brian Schofield V55 3 Oldham & Royton H & Ac 48:03
46 43 Nigel Sedman V40 22 Belle Vue Racers 48:33
47 189 Chris Bratt V40 23 Sale Harriers Manchester 48:38
48 466 Richard Waring V40 24 Swinton Running Club 48:49
49 446 Steve Matkin V45 14 Stockport Harriers & Ac 48:59
50 226 Timothy Rainey V40 25 Sale Harriers Manchester 49:03
51 289 Billy Mousdale V45 15 St Helens Sutton Ac 49:16
52 332 Paul Rutherford V40 26 Swinton Running Club 49:21
53 455 Paul Collinge V50 8 Middleton Harriers Ac 49:29
54 32 Ged Carney V45 16 Belle Vue Racers 49:47
55 382 Geoff Gilbert V55 4 Wilmslow Running Club 49:57
56 470 Chris Jones V40 27 Salford Metropolitan Ac 50:55
57 267 Jack Carney V50 9 Salford Metropolitan Ac 50:57
58 338 Robin Beaumont V40 28 Trafford Athletic Club 51:02
59 159 Steve Symons V40 29 Manchester Ymca Harriers 51:37
60 179 Miran Aprahamian V55 5 Sale Harriers Manchester 51:41
61 312 Robert Taylor V55 6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 52:06
62 517 Steve Minshull V40 30 Trafford Athletic Club 52:24
63 94 Alan Webster V45 17 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 52:34
64 291 John Skinley V45 18 St Helens Sutton Ac 52:38
65 465 Anthony Ward V45 19 Stockport Harriers & Ac 52:47
66 248 Tommy Daniels V60 2 Salford Harriers 52:58
67 110 Steve McCall V45 20 Manchester Harriers & Ac 53:09
68 118 Dave Wood V45 21 Manchester Harriers & Ac 53:29
69 272 Paddy Farrelly V50 10 Salford Metropolitan Ac 53:34
70 85 Neil Murphy V45 22 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 53:36
71 152 Steve Ingham V50 11 Manchester Ymca Harriers 53:44
72 459 Ian Welsh V45 23 Mantriathlon 53:45
73 82 Steve Lomas V40 31 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 53:48
74 68 Martin McGann V60 3 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 54:22
75 149 Tom Dutton V65 1 Manchester Ymca Harriers 54:52
76 51 Howard Bamber V50 12 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 55:29
77 271 Brian Eyre V50 13 Salford Metropolitan Ac 55:33
78 329 John Pickup V45 24 Swinton Running Club 55:38
79 72 Colin Timpson V60 4 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 56:26
80 89 David Shoesmith V55 7 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 56:35
81 156 Jon Paramor V55 8 Manchester Ymca Harriers 56:45
82 228 Alan Romagnolo V40 32 Sale Harriers Manchester 57:11
83 273 Mark Hulme V50 14 Salford Metropolitan Ac 58:38
84 379 Trevor Faulkner V65 2 Wilmslow Running Club 59:08
85 34 Kevin Egerton V55 9 Belle Vue Racers 59:09
Senior Men (Vets) -- TEAM RESULTS
NOTE: Unattached and non-counters are DELETED before teams are calculated
1 Wilmslow Running Club 24
1 Malcolm Fowler
2 Rob Downs
3 Tom McGaff
18 Steve Dempsey
2 Stockport Harriers & Ac 41
7 Kevin Garner
10 Richard Marlton
11 Len Best
13 Mike Shaw
3 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 66
4 Gary Matthews
19 Steven Robinson
20 Simon Grundy
23 Francis Day
4 Trafford Athletic Club 76
8 Richard Byers
17 Paul Mannion
25 Vinny Booth
26 Mike Hutchinson
5 St Helens Sutton Ac 86
14 Barry Graney
15 Jim Crehan
27 Peter Johnson
30 Ian White
6 Stockport Harriers & Ac 'B' 134
16 Graham Marsland
34 Tim Hargreaves
41 Frank Riley
43 Tim Edwards
7 Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 146
22 John Mooney
24 Raph Murray
38 Warren Mason
62 Alan Webster
8 Sale Harriers Manchester 159
31 Frank Cordingley
33 Bill Fox
46 Chris Bratt
49 Timothy Rainey
9 Wilmslow Running Club 'B' 202
29 Mike Cooper
36 Ian Smallwood
54 Geoff Gilbert
83 Trevor Faulkner
10 Manchester Ymca Harriers 204
32 Gary Willcock
44 Michael Symons
58 Steve Symons
70 Steve Ingham
11 E Cheshire H & Tameside Ac 'B' 227
37 Derek Hughes
42 Andrew Cole
73 Martin McGann
75 Howard Bamber
12 Salford Metropolitan Ac 255
55 Chris Jones
56 Jack Carney
68 Paddy Farrelly
76 Brian Eyre
Senior Men - Junior -- FINAL RESULTS ($=non-counter)
Pos Num Name Cat/Pos Club Time
1 852 Stephen Broadhurst Warrington Athletic Club 38:13
2 191 Niall Brooks Sale Harriers Manchester 38:43
3 829 Chris Perry Vale Royal Ac 39:09
4 350 Graham Hogg Trafford Athletic Club 40:21
5 515 Zach Cross Vale Royal Ac 40:31
6 97 Liam Bartlett Manchester Harriers & Ac 40:54
7 86 Declan Murray Macclesfield Harriers & Ac 41:11
8 304 Dean Makin Stockport Harriers & Ac 41:12
9 431 Louis Humphries West Cheshire Athletic Club 43:15
10 850 Oliver Park Warrington Athletic Club 44:25
11 211 Rob Jowett Sale Harriers Manchester 44:38
12 486 Tom Partington Sale Harriers Manchester 45:12
13 27 Dominic Scott Altrincham & District Ac 45:42
14 247 Dale Daniels Salford Harriers 45:46
15 237 Lee Whitley Sale Harriers Manchester 48:08
16 433 Alan Littler West Cheshire Athletic Club 50:08
Senior Men - Junior -- TEAM RESULTS
NOTE: Unattached and non-counters are DELETED before teams are calculated
1 Sale Harriers Manchester 25
2 Niall Brooks
11 Rob Jowett
12 Tom Partington
Results copyright (c) G.J. Fecitt (SportSoft) 2008